(The second part of last week's interview)
It's double trouble as Toby interviews two men whose careers at the BBC covered most genres and many classic shows. There's expert testimony here about the ins and outs of audio from a grams operator and a sound supervisor who trained at the same time and had long careers in their chosen fields, which included working on many episodes of Doctor Who.
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